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Conventional Wisdom [message #37613]

Wed, 11 March 2015 10:07

Crubear
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I'm fixin' to get ready to do some testing and see what makes a real difference in my reloads. I've read tons of stuff that says "do this for more accuracy" and have always wondered what is opinion, what is fact, and what is just "it worked for me". I'm also looking to test out some of the Encore fixes (springs, deresonators, etc).

Kind of like people who weigh every single powder charge, but don't sort cases or bullets (excluding those who weigh for their own piece of mind and safety).

To do this test I have a 28" 308 and a 15" Ruger 204. My plans are to put together about a hundred cases that are mixed head stamp and/or mixed weights and see what happens as I try each change to see what happens. I want to test sorting by weight (cases first, then bullets), weighing powder charges to the exact same and then to a .2 grain difference, neck turning, and what ever else I can come up with. I've got software that will measure groups from scans, and will use it throughout the test.

What are some of the things you're curious about if it makes a difference?

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37614 is a reply to message #37613]

Wed, 11 March 2015 10:12

Crubear
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By the way, I do KNOW that hinge pins can make a big difference. I have a 270 barrel that was shooting Monarch ammo (read CHEAP) in nice 4" random patterns. While trying to figure out what was going on I found that the barrel rattled, literally rattled when the frame was open. I replaced the factory hinge pin with a Bellm 1x and the groups dropped to under 2" @ 100yds - no more rattle either.

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37615 is a reply to message #37614]

Wed, 11 March 2015 11:36

BBHunter
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I see you are giving that 308 barrel you snagged on Outdoors Trader a chance to prove itself. How about changing nothing but primer brand on some loads. Good luck and I look forward to checking out your findings.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37617 is a reply to message #37615]

Wed, 11 March 2015 12:36

rchatting
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I am eagerly waiting the results. I have seen a few test done to where .2 grains didn't seem to make much difference. so Curious what your results will show. I was recently doing the ladder method and had almost a whole grain difference in .308 that was impacting near the same point.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37619 is a reply to message #37617]

Wed, 11 March 2015 13:01

Crubear
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Can do on the primers

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37620 is a reply to message #37619]

Wed, 11 March 2015 13:05

Crubear
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That would be the barrel, pushed me over the edge to do the testing. Now if I can get rid of the left hand savage I'll have enough money to buy the powder and bullets I need.

Jim, you might be closer to "waiting for spring" up where you are

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37622 is a reply to message #37620]

Wed, 11 March 2015 13:56

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waiting? Turkeys are gobbling and starting to strut. Ducks and geese have been breaking off into pairs. Does staking out their fawning spots. Been in the 70's, trees started budding over a month ago. We even bought our turkey tags a week ago. Season opens in exactly a month, April 11th. 8 turkeys walked 3' past the dog kennel this morning just to rile them up, if I didn't know better one stuck his tongue out at them. (a way of "flippin the bird"). River is ice-free, about a month earlier than normal. Grizzlies came out of hibernation a full month earlier than usual. I haven't been able to make a snowball for over 2 months. A year ago March 1st I had to dig my wife out of a 5' snow drift. This year never had to put the outfit in 4-wheel drive. Even the wife says spring has sprung, and she's a pessimist.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37626 is a reply to message #37622]

Wed, 11 March 2015 14:13

Crubear
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Loved early springs when I lived up north

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37629 is a reply to message #37626]

Wed, 11 March 2015 14:49

Doyle
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James, I wish the turkeys were behaving that way. It is an unusually late spring for us. This is our first reasonably warm week and it has been an extremely wet winter. Turkeys are still in their winter areas and haven't started talking yet. Our season opens this Saturday and I'm seriously thinking of not even going into the woods until it drys out a little.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37631 is a reply to message #37629]

Wed, 11 March 2015 15:13

jamesgammel
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Ours runs April 11th to May 20th. Last year i picked up the two dead ones wearing my T-shirt, scivvies, and slippers, probably do the same this year. Did interupt my computer time to scoot my chair the 4 feet to the window to shoot em; which reminds me, i need to take the screen off the window to be ready for this year.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37639 is a reply to message #37631]

Wed, 11 March 2015 17:10

wwkmag
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Must be nice, here in Maine I am just beginning to see the top of the hot tub outside. I am wondering what mixed primers and mixed cases do to groups. Good luck Jim, that sounds like a lot of work.

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Re: Conventional Wisdom [message #37641 is a reply to message #37639]

Wed, 11 March 2015 17:29

Crubear
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Richard, not Jim Wink

An excuse to go shooting

Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!

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