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| Re: scope base question [message #35040 is a reply to message #35035] |
Wed, 24 December 2014 22:14   |
jamesgammel
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Someone said recently that they got a carbine 83, and they were a packrat because they found the box that there barrel came in in the attic, I bought the kit and all the barrels offered, and even have the receipt. Sept 84. In that package from Ron Sirk's in Pa was a note, they just released the barrel as an accessory barrel in 7-30 waters. I immediately called and had them send it UPS COD, Had it 4 days later, again with it's receipt I still have. I still have the receipt for my first personally bought gun, 1966 at Hampel's in traverse City, Michigan (still in existence, got something from them 3 times in the last 3 months), a 93 spanish mauser in 7X57. That makes me an ANAL packrat, still going strong the same way since I was 17 when it comes to my guns. I've still got receipts from guns I sold in the 70's and 80's.
After GCA 68 they required a 4473. One sheet, 5 copies, each a different color. Top half was a receipt (sales) for the gun you bought (Room for multiple guns), the lower half the 4473. HALF a SHEET. Now what is it? 8 pages and you don't get a copy; 3310 didn't exist then either). Receipts for every car stereo I've ever bought and trashed (all in their installation and user manuals) tucked away in a file folder box. Still have tax returns from the 60's, every year up to last year. Check's in boxes from the very first to last checking account. Now you don't get them back. Old habits don't die hard, they die when you (ok, I) do. When my dad died, I found out he was the same way, attic full of boxes of old receipts and records. I still have pictures from the first camera I had when I was 8 (and up), and every film pix I ever took. No doubt about it I'm one sorry anal packrat. Wanna see my grade school lunchbox? It's on top of the gun cabinet in the living room. I'll be 68 come July.
Jim
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| Re: scope base question [message #35042 is a reply to message #35040] |
Thu, 25 December 2014 00:10 |
jamesgammel
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What's the most mind boggling is the silly measure routine. It never donned on you just to set them on the barrels and SEE for yourself if they fit? I don't have an encore barrel, I checked the encore reference section, and the breech is ,997. Contender (Contender reference section) is .809 at the breech. If you don't know, the breech is the end you stick the cartridge in. Muzzle is the end the bullet flys out of.
I have an 18" long round bar 1" 4140 That I use to align scope rings with.
I laid an encore weaver base on that bar and held it up against a bright light>>>virtually no light was seen under the mount between the mount and the bar. Laid that same mount in a contender breech and looked the same way, it was tight in the middle (12 o'clock) and gap under the two edges, and it would easily rock/wobble.
Put a 92A on the contender barrel, no light under (SET, Not screwed and tightened the sh!t out of the screws, no screws even in the holes). Put the 92A on the 1" round bar, and a Pile of light could be seen, like a sliver of sliver moon tapering to a fat spot in the middle tapering to 0 at the sides where the mount actually was sitting on the bar. NO WAY anyone could see any different. a 6 yr old could have seen it didn't fit worth a darn. You didn't need mic's, you just needed an eye that could at least partially see, two barrels and two mounts, and 1 half-ass bright light.
OP said some people said they are the same, some people said they aren't. DON'T listen to either of them. Weavers are Cheap, like 12.00. Buy a 92 A and a 410 and see for yourself. Then you don't have to listen to one of those guys lying to you. Don't listen to ME or GLENN, or anyone else, prove to yourself what the right answer is. If they are the same, you would already have one for another barrel. If not, dump the one that doesn't fit on the guy that told you he measure them every way possible and they were the same. Make him put his $$ where his fingers are. He can't lose, he has both barrels so guaranteed to have a mount for both of them (so he claims).Merry Christmas. Hope santa gives you the mount you need.
Jim
[Updated on: Thu, 25 December 2014 00:13] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: scope base question [message #35044 is a reply to message #35042] |
Thu, 25 December 2014 00:27 |
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Crubear
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I have mounted a Contender base on an Encore barrel, it will work just fine. It will leave two very nice parallel lines down the barrel though.
For the record, it wasn't intentional
Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!
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| Re: scope base question [message #35058 is a reply to message #35049] |
Thu, 25 December 2014 13:44 |
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Crubear
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No, it's not a recommendation and I spelled out what it would do. It was on a 22-250 and held up for a couple years. At which point I bought a 1+ inch Bullberry and found out what I'd done.
I don't recommend the aluminum weaver base on any barrel that has severe recoil.
Can't tell you how many threads other than it was more than enough to mark the barrel
Honestly, I have all the barrels I want or could ever need..... wait, look, there's another!!
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| Re: scope base question [message #35673 is a reply to message #35671] |
Mon, 12 January 2015 18:58 |
jamesgammel
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Thanks Glenn for going to the source, and getting the definitive answer. What troubles me most is, people are substituting cheap 12.00 parts, are they doing the same with more expensive parts? Ignoring all the cautions about Mil-spec brass being thicker and using load data that's incorrect for their selected brass, after all, military surplus brass is cheaper than commercial. Then there's front and rear sights, take the attitude that one sight fits all. Tapered barrels use a different sight than full bulls, for example. Don't bother to keep track of what barrel it came off of, because, what the heck a rear sight is just a rear sight. Or a front sight is just a front sight, they're all the same. The holes are in the same position so they must be the same. A front sight on a 16" contender barrel is not the same as the one on a 14". Nobody (it seems) is paying attention to DETAIL. What's worst, they seem to be incapable of deductive logic.
Jim
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