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Re: 460? 270? [message #35601 is a reply to message #35597] Sat, 10 January 2015 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gemihur is currently offline  gemihur
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Thanks, perspective taken.

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Re: 460? 270? [message #35603 is a reply to message #35601] Sat, 10 January 2015 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wwkmag is currently offline  wwkmag
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I guess you COULD say this has been stirring up the pot. Here in Maine it gets a little boring this time of the year, not that I do not have much to do. There are a lot of 270 rifles around here and they really work well, but not as well as a 280 or 30-06 in my opinion, ha ha. I was just wondering what there would be for comments on this subject, and I was not let down at all. I have had a great time reading everybodys comments, and there has been plenty of them. In the end , this topic will come up for years to come. In the United States there is still "freedom of speech," but I still wonder why a 270?
Re: 460? 270? [message #35635 is a reply to message #35603] Sun, 11 January 2015 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the United States there is still "freedom of speech," but I still wonder why a 270?
I guess because there is still " freedom of choice "
I think in it's hey day it was a hot flat shooting cartridge with the 130 gr. bullet and the 06 didn't do as well with the lighter bullets of the times. JMO. Mike
Re: 460? 270? [message #35646 is a reply to message #35635] Sun, 11 January 2015 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe it is because folks are just so familiar with it. I bet if you go in the average gun store and start asking customers if they know the difference between the two; they won't know. They shoot the .270 because there dad did or there friend told them it was "flat shooting" or there cousin's brother's nephew knocked a bull elk end over end with one. I once had a guy tell me he wanted the .308 over the 30-06 because the .308 had more "shock power". Whatever that is. He was adamant so after about a minute of trying to explain to him they shoot the same bullet, I gave up. He was thoroughly set and nothing was gonna change his mind. Unfortunately, most decisions by the average (non-reloading) hunter is based on marketing and what others have told them. Very few actually understand the ballistics, caliber and the various cartridge differences. Most folks use .308 caliber and .308 winchester interchangeably and we know that they are not the same. Ever here someone ask what cartridge do you hunt with? They all ask what caliber do you hunt with?

We as a people base a lot of our decisions on whether something sounds good or has a cool sounding name. A lot of women admitted to voting for Bill Clinton because he was handsome. Nothing to do with his character or record. A lot of football fans base their favorite team on the teams name. My brother disliked the Buccaneers because he didn't like their uniforms. Politicians get elected because there name sounds familiar (because they had more signs out).

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Re: 460? 270? [message #35652 is a reply to message #35646] Sun, 11 January 2015 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rchatting wrote on Sun, 11 January 2015 18:34
Most folks use .308 caliber and .308 winchester interchangeably and we know that they are not the same.


Yep. Definitely not the same. In fact, there's no such thing as .308 caliber. There is 30 caliber (.308 diameter), but not .308 caliber.

But even bullet companies perpetuate the error. One of my favorites - Sierra - has a drop down menu on their home page in which you can search for "Bullets by Caliber", but when you look, there is no 30 caliber - it's listed as ".308". When you click on .308, it takes you to the page that defines each bullet as ".308 dia."

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Glenn


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Re: 460? 270? [message #35657 is a reply to message #35652] Mon, 12 January 2015 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then there's the 303 British. 308 bullets fly down 308 bores 270 Bullets are actually .277 diameter. 38 special shoots a .358 Diameter bullet. So does a 357 mag or 357 max. Where did that last .001 disappear to? 44 Russian, Special and, mag shoot .429. 307 and 308 Wins shoot the same bullet. 410 shotgun is .410 bore, not "gauge" like the rest.
Jim
Re: 460? 270? [message #36025 is a reply to message #35657] Sat, 24 January 2015 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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.460 has it's place...like here in Ohio where we can use straight wall rifle for deer
Re: 460? 270? [message #36030 is a reply to message #36025] Sat, 24 January 2015 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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captaincaveman wrote on Sat, 24 January 2015 19:48
.460 has it's place...like here in Ohio where we can use straight wall rifle for deer


I thought the .460 was too long for Ohio -or am I thinking about some other state which has a similar "pistol cartridge" rule but with max case length rule too?
Re: 460? 270? [message #36035 is a reply to message #36030] Sun, 25 January 2015 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think Ohio has the same case length restriction as here in Michigan which is 1.80

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Re: 460? 270? [message #36042 is a reply to message #36035] Sun, 25 January 2015 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why a case length restriction?
Re: 460? 270? [message #36047 is a reply to message #36042] Sun, 25 January 2015 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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These used to be shotgun only states. Some either buckshot or "rifled slugs", Ohio even allowed single "ball" sometimes referred as "pumpkin balls". Theory was a projectile wouldn't go near as far as say a 150 grain 30-06 bullet, thus being "safer" in more suburban communities, even in the "mountainous" hilly areas on forested south-east ohio, or on a typical 100 or 200 acre farm with some development "near-by".

A "woosey" "pistol round" like 357 mag,max, 44, etc having heavy bullets at lower velocities allowed them to "stretch" the thinking to include them for "rifles", basically a gimmick. Now, stretch that 44 mag case to a 444 marlin length and you've crushed the idea to get the lawmakers acceptance to allow "rifles" shooting pistol rounds.
Jim
Re: 460? 270? [message #36048 is a reply to message #36047] Sun, 25 January 2015 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
captaincaveman is currently offline  captaincaveman
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no case length restriction in ohio....but only certain rounds

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Shotgun: 10-gauge or smaller shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition).
Muzzleloading Rifle: .38 caliber or larger
Muzzleloading Shotgun: 10-gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel
Handgun: with 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger.
Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Cassull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.
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